Watch Two Old White Guys Try to Woo America in this Debate Liveblog

Here we are again, dear readers. We’re a month out from the election, and if there’s anyone out there who still has faith in humanity, please pitch us.

We’re accepting drinking game suggestions on Twitter and in the comments all through the debate. Mostly, we’re just looking for justification from our peers.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:38 pm

Eyerolls at the NY1 panelist who’s trying to criticize Kaine for interrupting Pence when Trump did that all over the fucking place last week.

Profile photo of Alyson Alyson Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:37 pm

woops did not mean to make that all shouty!

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:36 pm

We made it!

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:35 pm

I don’t know but if I were in the military it’d piss me the fuck off.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:35 pm

Where does this myth of a broken military that needs rebuilding come from?

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:34 pm

War on coal, DRINK!

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:32 pm

Yeah, that’s a pipe dream

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:32 pm

Hahaha, good fucking luck. There’s no unifying the country.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:31 pm

UTERUS HAVING WOMEN DON’T OWE ME ANYTHING. MUCH LIKE I DON’T OWE THEM FREE BABYSITTING. IT WORKS OUT.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:31 pm

DON’T BRING US INFERTILES INTO YOUR BULLSHIT.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:30 pm

I hope Elizabeth Warren just threw her wine glass on the floor in protest of that weaksauce.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:29 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/donald-trump-abortion.html

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:29 pm

That was a weak comeback.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:27 pm

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION! IT DOESN’T EXIST AND NO ONE IS ABORTING FETUSES LIKE TWO DAYS BEFORE THEIR DUE DATES. FUCK YOU LYING LIARS.

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:27 pm

Kaine you better come back on this hard

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

There it is.

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

Now I need a drink

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

YOU EXPANDED CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTERS, YOU TOOL.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

Oh fuck you for crisis pregnancy bullshit

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

1. Yes, because people are dumb and also abortion.

2. Probably not.
3. Doubt it.
Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:26 pm

The key Jesus endorsement.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:24 pm

Anyone think 1. there are any undecideds left at this point, 2. This debates swayed undecideds, or C. Either debater changed anyone’s opinion on their candidate?

I like Kaine more than I thought I would. He’s smart. He was well prepared. He’s not electrifying, but he probably needs to be fairly bland.
Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:23 pm

Oooh, here we go! Ish.

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:22 pm

It’s the foreign policy show -.-

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:22 pm

Even if they asked about it Pence wouldn’t answer.

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:20 pm

Sooooo I guess we are skipping LGBT rights and abortion rights…

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:11 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/politics/mike-pence-on-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:09 pm

And they both seem to know their way around a map.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:08 pm

Gotta say though, it’s weirdly refreshing that both of them can actually pronounce “nuclear.”

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:05 pm

selena-mcintosh particularly not for losing an obscene amount of money and still not paying people what I’m supposed to and then calling it all good business

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:04 pm

I’ll take one!

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:03 pm

Most of us don’t take $900 million dollar deductions

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:02 pm

Kaine did your grandkids not mention that schools don’t have civics classes anymore???

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:01 pm

selena tbh I think my middle school social studies teachers would be more animated

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 201610:00 pm

Please stop pretending you give a fuck about the children of Aleppo and Syria!

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:59 pm

It’s like two middle school social studies teachers arguing over an office.

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:59 pm

Well this seems more like a fight in AV club in middle school than the preschool recess fight the presidential debate was at least.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:58 pm

But isn’t it refreshing to watch two male candidates talk over a female moderator instead of one male candidate talking over his female opponent? >:(

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:56 pm

Like I could drink during this, but it almost feels like a waste of alcohol.

Profile photo of Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Savannah Logsdon-Breakstone Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:55 pm

I think I’m going to fall asleep this is so bland

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:50 pm

LMAO. “I was in Washington DC on 9/11 when the Pentagon was hit.” “I was in Virginia, where the Pentagon is actually located.”

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:46 pm

Only if Trump goes first. An airlocked Trump is a dream of mine.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:46 pm

roslin4vp

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:45 pm

Can we start airlocking people?

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:45 pm

sosayweall

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:44 pm

Persephone Magazine declares an early winner: No one.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:44 pm

On the one hand, at least no one has had a tantrum.
On the other hand, that’s a terrible bar
On the third hand, this is pretty dull

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:42 pm

I’m having trouble focusing on this. It’s boring and annoying at the same time.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:41 pm

Pence :

Watch Adam Ruins Everything, then get back to me.
Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:40 pm

Sorry, had to get my taller waders for all the bullshit.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:39 pm

😣 😡

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:36 pm

Well, everyone needs the token black friend. Thanks Pence.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:33 pm

Because there IS implicit bias in everyone!

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:33 pm

So stop calling racists racist. Got it.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:28 pm

Oh shit,lemme get my popcorn like Michael!

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:26 pm

savage

cantbeatnixonstandard
Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:25 pm

Daaaamn “No one at home can understand you when you talk over each other so STFU and let’s move on.”

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:25 pm

Or Gary. You were governor of Gary, too. How’s that going?

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:25 pm

The fuck have you done for Fort Wayne.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:24 pm

I can’t. I just can’t.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:24 pm

LOL he pays payroll taxes on his employees

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:24 pm

Like that one Trumpling. Hmmm.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:23 pm

Pence is evil Odo.

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:23 pm

Nope!

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:23 pm

No. That’s expected.

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:22 pm

*much

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:22 pm

Has Pence answered any questions yet?

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:22 pm

Is it wrong I hate Pence’s face and voice almost as mush as I hate Trump’s?

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:22 pm

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS. DAMMIT PENCE.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:22 pm

Pence crippled the teacher’s union in IN.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:21 pm

I’m a little behind, I keep pausing to yell

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:21 pm

He’s trying to defend Trump like he’s a normal candidate.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:20 pm

Eyup.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:20 pm

Pence is doing a good job of pretending this is a normal election, I’ll give him that. But, to quote my person, “He is so full of shit.”

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:18 pm

What about Carrier?

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:18 pm

The economy was shite in the 80s!

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:18 pm

Drink when Pence says “war on coal”!

Profile photo of Stephens Stephens Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:17 pm

Hey unicorns! I just got in and had a shower.

What have I missed?
Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:16 pm

Who invited Interrupting Cow?

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:16 pm

Pence really doesn’t want to talk about Trump. I can’t say I blame him, but it’s kinda funny.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:16 pm

3 of 5 vanilla puddings for Kaine’s Apprentice joke.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:14 pm

It’s fun how the 80s are having a moment. Brass decor items, neon clothing, the constant threat of nuclear annihilation.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:13 pm

OMG RIGHT? That’s what terrifies me.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:12 pm

I’m not drinking tonight, but if Kaine busts out a malarkey I may have to chug something.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:12 pm

I”m more concerned with the 35% who don’t think he’s erratic.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:11 pm

Kaine is onbrand and onmessage but not so much Bidenesque yet.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:11 pm

“Why don’t people trust her?”

“Lemme tell you why I trust her…”
Didn’t know we were playing dodgeball.
Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:09 pm

*rolls eyes at folksy Hoosierisms which are bullshit.*

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:08 pm

Pence’s hair looks like white shellac.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:06 pm

tootrue

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:05 pm

During Scandal’s last (regrettable, but I can’t quit it) season, Olivia called out the ideal VP candidate as three Ms, Male, Military, and Married.

heh.
Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:04 pm

Not anyone here; the pundits.

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:03 pm

Quit overselling this. It’s not the damn Super Bowl!

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:03 pm

I don’t think it will be a trouncing. At best, we find out Kaine has an inner Uncle Joe Biden in him, at worst, it’s two boring dudes rambling on.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:02 pm

Pence has a long list of dumb shit we can yell at him about.
Shut up, Chris Matthews.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:01 pm

C’mon, we get to watch the press pool enter. Good times!

Profile photo of Amanda Amanda Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:00 pm

So, think this will be a trouncing like last week?

I’m fully prepared to yell at Pence for dumb shit. And I’m betting I’ll have the opportunity.
Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20169:00 pm

I think they could get a lot more viewers if they did the VP debate as laser tag, instead.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20168:59 pm

Why doesn’t democracy want me to watch last night’s Timeless or keep reading my dragon books?

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20168:58 pm

For democracy.

Profile photo of [E] Hillary [E] Hillary Tuesday, October 4th, 20168:57 pm

Why are you people making me do this?

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20168:55 pm

Anyone can look pretty okay next to Trump. Is all I’m saying.

Profile photo of [E] Selena MacIntosh* [E] Selena MacIntosh* Tuesday, October 4th, 20168:53 pm

A reminder that my fellow Hoosier, Govn’r Mike Pence, would be no better for the country than his running mate. He’s anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-woman, and unafraid to politicize his terrible opinions.

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Selena MacIntosh is the owner and editor of Persephone Magazine. She also fixes it when it breaks. She is fueled by Diet Coke, coffee with a lot of cream in it, and cat hair.

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